Note: Certain parts of this post have been edited.
One very tall chap by the name of Mo Maalim threatened to lead a bunch of hawkers and mechanics from Grogan to protest outside my house if I failed to put up a post by today! LOL! Sorry for being away so long folks!
For some reason I always seem to date women from the same community. I think it’s just by sheer coincidence. I’m a sucker for them light skinned sisters. But I come from a family of pure tribalists. Well, not exactly, but my dad is an unrepentant tribalist. Whenever I get a new girlfriend, his first question is always “What tribe is she?”
My older step brother has followed in my dad’s footsteps coz he’s another shameless unrepentant tribalist. The two have a deep dislike for Kenyans from a certain community.
My mother, on the other hand, couldn’t care less. She’s met and had lengthy conversations with only two of my numerous past girlfriends. Funny thing is that she could barely remember them the next day! (I think that’s where I get my goldfish memory from) I think she’s just glad that I turned out straight, so she doesn’t care who I date, as long as she has breasts and wears skirts.
A few months ago, I was dating this girl from said community. Every time my dad or my bro called me, among the first questions they would ask is “Has she stolen your furniture yet? Don’t trust those women! Don’t leave them alone in your house or you can come back and find even the house itself has been stolen!”
I remember a phone conversation with my dad during the last rainy season in early November of last year. We chatted about this, that and the other, then he asked
“I hear it’s raining very hard in Nairobi, I hope you have a nice plump healthy woman to keep you warm at night”
(now I know where my taste for curvaceous women comes from!)
“Eh…something like that”
“So you have one?”
“Yes I do”
“Ni kabila gani?”
“Eish Dad, that is not important. What matters is the character and…”
“No no no my friend! Why don’t you ever listen to me? I’m telling you I know those women! I know them very well! Watakudanganya ati wanakupenda kumbe wanarukaruka huko nje na watakuletea ukimwi. Be very careful with that one!”
**Edited**
My step bro and I are very close and we talk quite often and meet up for drinks whenever time allows. His tabias are exactly like my dad’s. In fact, they are so alike that if either was to call me on private number, I wouldn’t know which one I’m talking to for the first minute. Though my dad addresses me as “my friend” and my bro as “Kijana”.
“Kijana, how many times must I tell you about those people? Did you see what they did to our country last year? Uliona? Na bado tu unaendelea kuwad***a?? I know those girls, aki kijana if you know what’s good for you, just look for another one coz huyu atakuletea shida tu!”
This coming from a chap who got trapped when his soon to be ex-girlfriend got off the pill and got pregnant.
“Enough about me and my woman, how is yours?”
“Mazee huyu dame ameniweza. Kila siku ni hivi, kesho ni hivyo, sasa ako karibu ku-drop mjunior na anataka ati Aga Khan na mi sina hizo chapaa! Mazee niko stressed!”
Doofus squared.
Both of them have women from other communities other than the main one they share a dislike for. I find it quite hilarious that they should say such things about my taste in women considering that **Edited** So, does that have anything to do with their tribe?
Anyway, that relationship came to an end shortly thereafter, and it had nothing to do with theft, deceit, STDs, infidelity or anything nefarious of the sort. It just didn’t work out so we went our separate ways.
The other day at the pub, guys were locked in a very heated argument about sexual stereotypes of the various tribes in Kenya. I made the unfortunate generalization that most Kenyan girls are the type who get your blood racing with their flirting, body language only to be complete disappointments in bed.
“You kubaf that’s coz you only date chics from THAT tribe, everyone knows they’re useless in bed! Si urushe mishale a bit further away from that province?”
That incident, plus a lot of prodding from my mzee and big bro forced me to aim my arrows a bit further and soon they landed on a neighbouring province. This chic, we met many years ago in high school and there was mutual attraction between us, but sadly I was already in a long term relationship with this kubaf so nothing could happen then. We wrote letters to and fro and she respected the fact that I already had a girlfriend so she said she wouldn’t come between us. We flirted casually and toyed with the idea of hooking up someday in the future.
After high school, we kinda lost touch for a while, then I was out of the country for a few years and that made things worse. We more or less forgot about each other’s existence. Then, we met randomly on the hanye two years ago.
“Damn Archer!”
She said as she visually digested me from head to toe
“You look good enough to eat!”
Haha! I find it very hard to resist a woman who’s attracted to me. Men just don’t know how to react to compliments. Me? I melt shamelessly! The few who know that also know that the easiest way to get anything out of me is through flattery. It always works. Except when I know what you’re driving at.
So we exchanged numbers, sadly we never got round to making use of that. Along the way, I lost a phone here and there so I lost her number.
We met on Facebook late last year and that was convenient since I spend most of my time online. We began chatting and catching up on what we’ve been up to over the last several years. She was single, I was in a relationship fast approaching its sell-by date. She told me to call her up sometime to have a drink, and I promised that I would.
And that’s how this incident occurred. We had a very heated fling for about three months. What beats having an incredibly beautiful woman that I had a lot in common with and we were compatible? And the sex? I’m not that big a fan of Jill Scott but I can relate to what she says in “Love Rain”:
At night we would watch the stars/and (s)he would give me each and every one/…Better than love, we made delicious/…I could hear his her rhythm in my thoughts/
Three months later, she started becoming distant. A lot of probing later, she revealed that she wasn’t ready for a relationship and she feared that that was where I was heading with her. And that slowly began the end of that fling. It fizzled out early this year leaving me heartbroken.
A few weeks later, she changed her relationship status on Facebook to “in a relationship” with some chap. Haiiiiiiya?? So I followed the link to his profile and thankfully his privacy settings were low so I was able to access his photos.
I’m not hating, but roho safi, that’s got to be one of the ugliest men I’ve ever laid eyes on. I’m not just saying that coz he got the woman in the end, but for real ame-beat vishenzi. Yaani ako down tu sana mpaka even some Man U players (Rooney, Tevez, Ji Sung Park) can easily put him to shame in a beauty contest.
I called her up and she agreed to meet and talk about it. It was a tense affair. She kept contradicting herself. Wasn’t she the one who wasn’t ready for a relationship? Or did she mean, a relationship with me? Why was I upset about it anyway since it’s not as if I’d asked her out in the first place? She said he’s an old friend and things just happened between them. But how, when we’d been together practically every day for the past three months? Was she screwing him while she was screwing me? She didn’t answer that question, and her silence gave me the answer that I needed. And to think that we actually had a pregnancy scare at some point during those three months and had she decided to keep it, I’d end up raising some ugly bloke’s uglier bastard.
Much much later on, I found out that she chose to date said chap to appease her parents who are (apparently) pushing her into marriage to someone from her own community.
The good thing about knowing someone really well is that you know when they’re trying to cover up the truth. Sadly, they also know you too well and they can manipulate the actual truth into whatever they want it to be.
I don’t know what to say. Really. Perhaps my dad and bro were right? Perhaps Kenyans generally are so tribally charged that…fill that in for yourself.
A.O.B
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June 4, 2009 at 3:52 am
This is kali. We used to call such ugly dudes “Ogres” – I guess that whole Beauty and the Beast TV series planted some seeds. That aint right! Good – ri-riddance!
June 4, 2009 at 5:02 am
Atleast your dad has issues with just one tribe. My dad has quite the list, and he doesn’t even try to be subtle about it! Tsk! But I’m so sure I might end up with a chap from one of the ‘forbidden’ tribes. I don’t get this whole tribal issue. Who cares?
As for this last chic, I’m sorry it didn’t work out like you might have wanted. Look, I don’t know much about relationships, marriage and what not. But IMO one thing’s for sure, she’s making a huge mistake.
No, not that she ditched you for the said chap. But for hooking up with someone for the pleasure of others!! Tsk! Tsk! Tsk!
June 4, 2009 at 5:33 am
“Men just don’t know how to react to compliments. Me? I melt shamelessly! The few who know that also know that the easiest way to get anything out of me is through flattery. It always works. ”
Are you calling yourself “Easy”?
June 4, 2009 at 5:49 am
I actually read this one to the end and liked it. nuff said
as for tribalism, my argument is if you can’t beat ‘em, ignore them. all my men have been from other communities, two from **that one**, & my family has always had problems with it.
And i’ve crushed on everything from Arabs to aliens. It’s my small way of fighting racists, tribalists and idiot stereotype..ists. If you can’t beat or ignore them annoy them senseless. they’re bound to give up some time, yeah?
An idiot is an idiot, regardless of their name, tribe or blood group, so don’t give up hun. there are a lot of idiots out there, and some may share your surname
But there are lot of cool people too, and some are even female!! **grin**
June 4, 2009 at 6:12 am
I am cool with any tribe, as long as they are Kenyans. My folks care less who I date.
June 4, 2009 at 6:14 am
My comment disappeared! Now I have to write another one..
Anyway as I had said, my parents too have issues with tribes. Not that we discuss relationships with them, just once in a while they will say something like:
“Marry from any other tribe but that one, they can kill you for your money!” Mostly said to my brothers since the ladies of the said tribe are the ‘dangerous’ ones.
My parents don’t even know I blog…the stuff I write there might make my mum condemn me!
But Archer you take the cake when it comes to narrating the dramas of your escapades!
June 4, 2009 at 6:24 am
Archer, you are a trip! Doubt I have ever commented on your blog but it sure is one of my favourite joints!
Why do you think the word stereotype was coined?:))
Keep well!
June 4, 2009 at 6:24 am
First of all, CB, *ouch*.
Second, it’s abooout time you posted.
Moving on, my mum has categorically stated that there would be hell to pay were I to marry a non-Mo’s tribe. And she’s even graded them. A Kenyan non-Mo’s tribe would be AWFUL, especially a Swahili woman (I think this might have something to do with her Swahili co-wife, lol), a white woman would be HORRENDOUS and me marrying a black American woman would get me all but disowned (I guess she thinks they are all GHETTO. Like in the movies).
Lastly, how does this woman mess with you like that? And yet they call us complicated.
June 4, 2009 at 6:28 am
I have never dated someone from my tribe despite a certain sterotype alluding to 10 year stress free guarantees.
It may be ok for our parents generation to carry such stereotypes but for a dude/dudette in our generation to reason like that amazes me.
I’m feeling sorry for that last babe how does she expect to be happy if she puts the happiness of others before hers
June 4, 2009 at 8:01 am
Oho..now I understand why you felt the need to kill said girl…Walalala…
As for tribalism…all my mom says is ati I should not marry far from where she is (subtle indeed!) But having dated people from my tribe to non-Kenyans…I say a man is a man…jinga DNA is jinga DNA despite where you come from…
“I find it very hard to resist a woman who’s attracted to me. Men just don’t know how to react to compliments. Me? I melt shamelessly!”
Heehee…I’m sure there are a few lovelies who will def take notes from this post Mishale..
June 4, 2009 at 8:14 am
LOL! Am not tribalist but I am wary of one particular tribe!!
That’s after a nasty experience with the gal Father during our parents meetup!
Then the chick turned to be a stalker after we broke up…. **shudders**
June 4, 2009 at 8:50 am
Woop woop….midnight magog gogog inspirations turn into faaabulous posts!!! I’ve laughed all the way through. Wa but she messed with you a rough one!! As for the tribal thing…my dad has tribal, racial all kinds of leanings…which make NO sense since im from a mixed family!…madness.
June 4, 2009 at 8:51 am
Your tales are always interesting.
I cannot over generalize..because people are different irrespective of their tribes..Throw your mishales anywhere just don’t pick the kubaff…
An ugly dude is called an accident
June 4, 2009 at 10:04 am
Some serious hating going on there. As they say, compe ni compe roho sahi! I’m ah-sure it sucks being succeeded by an ugly man.
Like my nephew says, football is an excuse for men to bed beauties.
Uh oh. You sure don’t like Man U players. What about when Ribery joins them!!!
I think stereotyping people due to tribes is always silly. However, every time i I tell people not to stereotype, you find peoples from that community going ahead to doing those things I was bashing people from stereotyping them about. So I am confused!
June 4, 2009 at 10:48 am
My parents, we had that argument when I was about 14 (Was I even dating then??!) they had issues with every race on earth, except the Chinese (Strategic global alliances and what not) I told them in very polite language that they were full o bull.
Fast forward to the same discussion when I was 18 (Dating undercover) Their outlook had shifted. they didn’t care, S’long as they guy pays back all the crockery I broke (Na nilivunja mingi!!)
Fast forward to now. They have actually speed-met the bloke I’m dating… My mom likes Mr Man (He bought her chocolates) and my dad doesn’t give a rats behind as long as I’m happy (He still calls him Taxi-driver, Loooong story!)
It feels good not to have your choices influenced in terms of tribe. There are so many other things to worry about… (Size, performance etc)
June 4, 2009 at 1:01 pm
lemmie print this and bring me comment tomorrow.
sounds like a great read.
as always.
June 4, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Boss, from reading ua statement, it looks like said tribe is kyuk and especiallys mamas form banana area. THUNJEEEES i tell you.
June 4, 2009 at 5:44 pm
WHAT AN INTERESTING READ.
Maybe your parents should spend time with the 3TOC clan.The ones who are married are married either to another tribe or Country all together. The ones who are attempting to walk down an aisle- NONE are within the same tribe and even country or wait-continent too. Yaani the UN may have nothing on us.
About the chic.I am very surprised that you are asking ” atii was she dating two guys at the same time and you were together most of the time.”Dude even I have learnt that one faster, faster. If it can be written, it can be done.Some people just have 29 hours in their day ama the same text is sent to both recipients. Do I need to school you on how harsh people can be? Do not even sit down to ask when she did all this. JUST RUN AND KEEP RUNNING. You will not be the last person she double-dates but you may well be the lucky one. Count your blessings tena twice.
And by the way I do not know this girl but that excuse sijui she is with the guy coz that is what her family wants- SHE IS LYING!!!!!!!!! Kwani that family can not see dude is ugly (I am taking your word for it on this one LOL)- they want her to wake up scared everyday. Lies.
Interesting read.
June 4, 2009 at 8:57 pm
This was an interesting read. I admire the honesty, its hard to put it out there when your played. And the feeling stupid after- isn’t that the worst?
Anyway, from my perspective, this chick was too gutless to tell you the truth about the how, when and why’s. And I can’t stand gutless humans. It’s so selfish when people act like that, not telling you the truth because it’s hard for them to say it. HARD FOR THEM??? I mean, who’s the bloody victim here?!? People are much stronger than we give them credit for and can handle the truth- what favours are these she thought she was doing for you by lying?
So yes Archer, truth is, she wanted a relationship, but just not with you.
June 4, 2009 at 9:27 pm
It doesn’t really matter who you date / marry as long as you are comfortable with them…
I guess a generation past (our fathers) are a bit hesitant on inter-tribal affairs but in this day and age it shouldn’t matter. I do know that some of relas would balk at any one of us marrying a jungu…my mzee would care less.
June 5, 2009 at 8:50 am
Walalala…Ugly dude took her away from you?
Dont fret…remember who is waking up with an ugly fob each morning.
Now, imagine what we have to go through when we are so superficial and many of the Kenyan guys look like your successor.
Interestingly, gay folks are so maligned that we do not seem to have a tribal problem but then again most of our parents dont approve of our partners for a totally different reason.
June 5, 2009 at 4:06 pm
My family is too happy to see us hooked up that it doesn’t matter if said partner is from Italy or the Lakeside.
I don’t belong to any particular tribe, so I wouldn’t tell if I’m tribal or not. I’ve dated all over the country. Quite literally.
June 5, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Since my experience is meeting mamas at a hanye, tribe means shit to me. The only thing I want to be assured is that you were born a female (not mambo ya sex change) and that you are legal.
June 5, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Tribe still matters in this day and age? Am the one in the dating game and if i do decide to marry the said fella, it will be ME and not my folks.
Nice read!
June 6, 2009 at 9:36 am
hahahah Archer ati ugliest guy around..
unaonea ManU guys..ina rooney na JS Park, Chelsea also got some ogres – mikel, mboch drogba, bosingwa heheheh!
as for the tribal ish..sad sad stuff…me from western kenya na wangu ametoka that area u seem to like alot
na we cool.. old man kinda pessimistic lakini ashazoea.. old lady is easy na wake wako easy..but its hard i tell u. tribe shldnt mean nada…
June 6, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Heartbreak is hard. The girl is not serious does she realize how long forever is? Anywhoo her grief.
My folks just want me married and happy about the tribe that is my relas domain.
June 7, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Nice reading!I think to some extent politicians contribute a lot in stereotyping of some communities.
I respect every community and can date anyone so long as you have a sound mind and the feeling is mutual.
June 7, 2009 at 9:55 pm
I read this post last night. Then read all your posts from day one. I ended up swatching at 3am. And waking up the house with loud laughter. (Consider yourself bookmarked).
About the tribal thing. It’s like im reading replies from non- Kenyans. No one wants to admit that its getting worse with the younger generation. Im from a family that has all sorts of tribal mixes. My parents are from both ends of kenya and wouldnt care less unless the partner is violent etc. So when My friends start that ‘we are better than so n so’ or switch to motherulimi im particularly hurt coz I just cant get it.
The Kikuyu’s are the worst in clanism. (Yes I typed it!). Followed by jangs. I just had a Kuyo pal admit to this.
So when ppl Blog and refuse to admit it is among us I find it hypocritical.
You posted earlier about seeing a shrink. Please elaborate on this. At one time I was seeing frank njenga and belive me it made me worse. I was refered to one Dr. okonji who tried to hide a sneer when he heard i’d been seeing frank.
With these few remarks, i conclude by saying I agree with mo. Just that i would add the mombasa hawkers…..they dont play.
June 8, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Interesting!.. I actually have a pal who *kinda* fell into the same situation like said ex-fling. Throughout the time we’ve known her she was more inclined to *that community*…also a sucker for the light skin..ti hi hi…but she ended up marrying someone from her own community because of pressure from her parents (more so her mom) and not beacuse she was crazy about him…She is also a brilliant woman by any standards, thats why we just could not understand her….and she went all traditional too!!I can’t speak for her but seeing her today, she really isn’t the same bubbly person i knew before.
So i’ll echo everyone else’s sentiments up there, place your happiness and future first when choosing your partner..you’re the one that ends up living that life that everyone else is imposing on you!
P:S..love that kiddum song! *Nimeamua, kutopenda tena, kila nikipenda, mwishoye naumia…umenikosea wewe..*
June 9, 2009 at 8:17 am
Wah! Arch, its as if you’ve been meeting my folks recently huh? I have never dated anyone from my tribe…
mostly by choice though brownies always get my eye, and where I come from, well… there are a few, few actually.
Tribal profiling,tribe never bothers me but for some reason, a given cousin was done some manenoz by a chic from that certain tribe… and the old lady, the aunties and everyone else seem to believe everyone from hukoz has such ish… Its not strange for them 2 want 2 dismiss someone coz of that… at some point I have let very potential mamaz go just after gathering which mountains and lakes they come from…
June 10, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Malaika: ‘The Kikuyu’s are the worst in clanism. (Yes I typed it!). Followed by jangs’.
Sorry to start this on your blog Archer but im not impressed by such comments. This kind of stereotyping is the reason we have the problems we have in Kenya today. The violence we experienced as a country during elections was fuelled and driven by like-minded thinking. Kikuyu’s are this, jangs are that…RUBBISH. We are not old skool like our folks and need to get rid of this old skool kind of thinking.
PS: this wasn’t meant to be an attack on Malaika, just sharing my two cents
June 11, 2009 at 5:13 am
Archer,
I promise to write on the superficiality of gay folks and hwy the tribal thing does not apply to us. I wrote on this article http://kenyangay.blogspot.com/2006/07/superficiality.html sometimes back on the subject of superficiality although I was just examining the validity of it.
June 16, 2009 at 11:32 am
Been a while since I was here. And this post is what I find….LOL.
The ugly guy is someone’s son Archer…I’m sure his mother’s pals were all cooing around his crib saying how cute he is!
June 16, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Great post, as usual. Ofcourse kenyans are still terribly tribal, especially our parents. However, in my family, my sis did the best thing to shut the folks up….. she married a Ghananian. With dreadlocks and a clinging sitting-on the-couch-all-day-smoking-weed habit! No more pressure for the rest of us!!!!
June 22, 2009 at 11:05 am
I have sadly come to accept that in Kenya, I will always be judged by my name/surname, Hence working twice as hard to break the stereotype.
June 23, 2009 at 6:30 am
Archer, first things first, what do you mean your dad reads this blog? You do realize that this is not a PG Rated blog!! That dad of yours must be way too cool!
I don’t know much about tribal sterotyping but some people do some really weird stuff I tell myself there’s no way I am going to end up with some beliefs and cultures as part of my lifestyle why lie! Some want to spit on you, some want to cut your hair, some want you to sleep with dead people wolololo let people call me tribal!
And what do you mean you had a pregnancy scare? I point out this blog (and preach the rubber gospel) to all my male friends to read coz I once read a post that said you’d not go about shooting mishales without gloves! Eish….Archer, you are going to make me look bad!
Anyway, nice read as always and thank goodness for Mo!
June 26, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Funny enough I have not dated a mama from my tribe. I met one a few years ago in Nai but found out we were related, it was good nothing happened though phew!
My ma and sisters are also firm campaigners against “those people” and even give the same advice that your pa gives about what they shall do to lil old me. Funny enough in nai it’s those chics who used to penda my storos sana, talk about irony.But at times to be honest when it comes to drama in inter-tribal unions, it’s the fams that are the probo and not the couple. Sticking their fingers all over the place and cuasing drama in teh name of looking out for the other person.
Anyway kwako you know what you like so jihadhari na endelea kazi lol!
June 30, 2009 at 5:46 am
Great post. My first here and Im definitely coming back for more !
Funny enough I suffered from reverse tribalism for some time – would only date guys not from my tribe. Its just as bad as the kawa one, believe me- kinda like MJs reverse racism.